Comments on: magnatune for the bird http://whacked.net/2008/04/30/magnatune-for-the-bird/ thoughts on open spaces Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:08:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Kim Sullivan http://whacked.net/2008/04/30/magnatune-for-the-bird/#comment-96170 Kim Sullivan Sat, 03 May 2008 08:47:33 +0000 http://whacked.net/?p=954#comment-96170 <p>Wow, John, thanks for your reply! I should have asked directly, instead of drawing conclusions on my own. I've been wondering about this ever since I tried Amarok and found out that it doesn't support saving the streams without buying the songs, and then I found that Stephen also doesn't plan for this feature...</p> <p>I had no idea that there are players that actually support saving the CC version, and that not providing this feature is a conscious choice by the programmers to support magnatunes, and not some kind of restriction by magnatunes.</p> <p>Thanks for clarifying this!</p> Wow, John, thanks for your reply! I should have asked directly, instead of drawing conclusions on my own. I’ve been wondering about this ever since I tried Amarok and found out that it doesn’t support saving the streams without buying the songs, and then I found that Stephen also doesn’t plan for this feature…

I had no idea that there are players that actually support saving the CC version, and that not providing this feature is a conscious choice by the programmers to support magnatunes, and not some kind of restriction by magnatunes.

Thanks for clarifying this!

]]> By: John Buckman from Magnatune http://whacked.net/2008/04/30/magnatune-for-the-bird/#comment-96111 John Buckman from Magnatune Fri, 02 May 2008 23:21:18 +0000 http://whacked.net/?p=954#comment-96111 <p>Yes, the "please" is a request, and not a legal enforcement, and just refers to p2p distribution. </p> <p>I have <em>no</em> <em>problem</em> with people sharing the creative commons 128k mp3s with everyone they know, and lots of sites do distribute them. There's even an XML-based API to help other sites build their own interfaces to them, and offer downloads.</p> <p>For example, Rhythmbox lets you simply drag a song you're listening to with their Magnatune plugin, onto the desktop to save it. </p> <p>Rather, the "please don't post them on p2p networks" has to do with my feeling that most p2p companies are sleazy, have often had malware connections, and aren't businesses I want to support. </p> <p>Hope that makes sense...</p> <p>-john</p> Yes, the “please” is a request, and not a legal enforcement, and just refers to p2p distribution.

I have no problem with people sharing the creative commons 128k mp3s with everyone they know, and lots of sites do distribute them. There’s even an XML-based API to help other sites build their own interfaces to them, and offer downloads.

For example, Rhythmbox lets you simply drag a song you’re listening to with their Magnatune plugin, onto the desktop to save it.

Rather, the “please don’t post them on p2p networks” has to do with my feeling that most p2p companies are sleazy, have often had malware connections, and aren’t businesses I want to support.

Hope that makes sense…

-john

]]> By: Stephen Lau http://whacked.net/2008/04/30/magnatune-for-the-bird/#comment-95769 Stephen Lau Thu, 01 May 2008 14:38:10 +0000 http://whacked.net/?p=954#comment-95769 <p>I probably could provide a way to do that for the 128kbps MP3s, but I'd rather try and encourage people to buy them. It's a matter of supporting and encouraging the business model, not finding the cheapest way out :)</p> <p>Regarding your second point - I'm not sure, to be honest. If it's a "please", then it's not a strict requirement meaning it's not a restriction of your rights. It's a request. Whether you choose to comply with it or not is up to you, your conscience, and your karma I suppose. (But IANAL, so don't take my word - best to ask Magnatune)</p> I probably could provide a way to do that for the 128kbps MP3s, but I’d rather try and encourage people to buy them. It’s a matter of supporting and encouraging the business model, not finding the cheapest way out :)

Regarding your second point - I’m not sure, to be honest. If it’s a “please”, then it’s not a strict requirement meaning it’s not a restriction of your rights. It’s a request. Whether you choose to comply with it or not is up to you, your conscience, and your karma I suppose. (But IANAL, so don’t take my word - best to ask Magnatune)

]]> By: Kim Sullivan http://whacked.net/2008/04/30/magnatune-for-the-bird/#comment-95735 Kim Sullivan Thu, 01 May 2008 11:55:07 +0000 http://whacked.net/?p=954#comment-95735 <p>What I've always wondered about, with regards to Magnatune (because Amarok supports it too...) - why can't you just provide a way to download the free versions? I mean, the 128k versions are CC (by-nc-sa), which means that everyone is free to download and share (and even redistribute) the music, including modifications (like, stripping the spoken text from all the sample mp3s).</p> <p>What i find especially amusing is that magnatune states "please do not post ... the mp3s below on another web site or a p2p network." - thereby restricting the rights given to you by the by-nc-sa license. Either they provide the songs under CreativeCommons, but they try to discourage you to actually use the songs under that license, or they are not providing the songs under Creative Commons, and just use the CC label as a marketing trick.</p> <p>Can they do that?</p> What I’ve always wondered about, with regards to Magnatune (because Amarok supports it too…) - why can’t you just provide a way to download the free versions? I mean, the 128k versions are CC (by-nc-sa), which means that everyone is free to download and share (and even redistribute) the music, including modifications (like, stripping the spoken text from all the sample mp3s).

What i find especially amusing is that magnatune states “please do not post … the mp3s below on another web site or a p2p network.” - thereby restricting the rights given to you by the by-nc-sa license. Either they provide the songs under CreativeCommons, but they try to discourage you to actually use the songs under that license, or they are not providing the songs under Creative Commons, and just use the CC label as a marketing trick.

Can they do that?

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