Comments on: probably an unpopular post http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/ thoughts on open spaces Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:24:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: James Dickens http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20356 James Dickens Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:32:55 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20356 <p>I agree, he should of prepared better. </p> <p>What gets me is that the news reports talk about burning his car tires for heat, and from the pictures I have seen the place is surrounded by trees, I would of ventured out and collected branches and bits of fallen trees and kept a fire buring 24/7 and work on generating lots of smoke when ever a plane or helicopter came by. surely a amateur might not know how to generate smoke but surely after manning the fire for a few days he would learn which leaves give the most smoke off the fire. if he wants more attention build multiple fires in a line surely someone will check them out when they relize that there isn't a house or cabin any where for miles.</p> I agree, he should of prepared better.

What gets me is that the news reports talk about burning his car tires for heat, and from the pictures I have seen the place is surrounded by trees, I would of ventured out and collected branches and bits of fallen trees and kept a fire buring 24/7 and work on generating lots of smoke when ever a plane or helicopter came by. surely a amateur might not know how to generate smoke but surely after manning the fire for a few days he would learn which leaves give the most smoke off the fire. if he wants more attention build multiple fires in a line surely someone will check them out when they relize that there isn’t a house or cabin any where for miles.

]]> By: David Van Couvering http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20100 David Van Couvering Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:22:10 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20100 <p>The story behind most tragic stories like this is the "mistake after mistake after mistake" syndrome.</p> <p>What is hard to judge is what actually happened and how those mistakes were made. It sounds like Kim was a smart guy who made some bad choices that I believe anybody could have made. It's amazing what little it takes before you find yourself staring death in the face.</p> <p>I agree that we should use this tragedy as a way to reinforce the standard precautions families should take when driving in the boonies. But let's let that happen in its due time. Right now there is a wife and child grieving and actually many people feeling the pain of what it must be to lose a loved one like that. The hard lessons to be taken from this can happen later.</p> The story behind most tragic stories like this is the “mistake after mistake after mistake” syndrome.

What is hard to judge is what actually happened and how those mistakes were made. It sounds like Kim was a smart guy who made some bad choices that I believe anybody could have made. It’s amazing what little it takes before you find yourself staring death in the face.

I agree that we should use this tragedy as a way to reinforce the standard precautions families should take when driving in the boonies. But let’s let that happen in its due time. Right now there is a wife and child grieving and actually many people feeling the pain of what it must be to lose a loved one like that. The hard lessons to be taken from this can happen later.

]]> By: Stephen Lau http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20096 Stephen Lau Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:51:14 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20096 <p>If you had the proper clothing, training, and equipment - by all means, venture out.</p> <p>But he ventured out ill prepared, both materially and in skills - by separating and leaving in search of help with no preparation or equipment beyond a road map, he reduced his chances of survival, and further reduced his family's chance of survival.</p> If you had the proper clothing, training, and equipment - by all means, venture out.

But he ventured out ill prepared, both materially and in skills - by separating and leaving in search of help with no preparation or equipment beyond a road map, he reduced his chances of survival, and further reduced his family’s chance of survival.

]]> By: Moazam http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20094 Moazam Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:37:23 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20094 <p>Stephen, think about it though. It's been 6-7 days and your wife and 2 little kids have not yet been rescued. Are you still going to wait after 7 days? It seems logical now, but imagine that it's the 7th day and you are looking at your wife and 2 little kids without a clue of what to do. You don't need hypothermia to make possibly bad decisions at that point, it'll come naturally. </p> <p>-M</p> Stephen, think about it though. It’s been 6-7 days and your wife and 2 little kids have not yet been rescued. Are you still going to wait after 7 days? It seems logical now, but imagine that it’s the 7th day and you are looking at your wife and 2 little kids without a clue of what to do. You don’t need hypothermia to make possibly bad decisions at that point, it’ll come naturally.

-M

]]> By: Mr. E http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20093 Mr. E Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:22:02 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20093 <p>Indeed this was a sad event, though <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Preparing_the_theory_of_natural_selection_for_publication" rel="nofollow">Darwin</a> would be proud.</p> Indeed this was a sad event, though Darwin would be proud.

]]> By: Stephen Lau http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20088 Stephen Lau Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:45:10 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20088 <p>It's doubtful that he had hypothermia before setting out, Kati certainly never mentioned anything like that (at least from the articles I've read) - so he "should have" been in a reasonable state of mind. </p> <p>I doubt that she would have let him leave if he weren't.</p> <p>It's possible both of them suffered from hypothermia-induced delusions, or lack of common sense... but again, I don't think so since they had the heater to keep them warm during the initial days.</p> <p>It's my impression that his decision to leave and separate from the family was a poor decision, but still a decision made in a reasonable-frame-of-mind.</p> It’s doubtful that he had hypothermia before setting out, Kati certainly never mentioned anything like that (at least from the articles I’ve read) - so he “should have” been in a reasonable state of mind.

I doubt that she would have let him leave if he weren’t.

It’s possible both of them suffered from hypothermia-induced delusions, or lack of common sense… but again, I don’t think so since they had the heater to keep them warm during the initial days.

It’s my impression that his decision to leave and separate from the family was a poor decision, but still a decision made in a reasonable-frame-of-mind.

]]> By: Corinne http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20087 Corinne Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:42:27 +0000 http://whacked.net/2006/12/07/probably-an-unpopular-post/#comment-20087 <p>I agree with you, but considering the amount of time he and his family spent outside in the cold... it's perfectly reasonable to assume that common sense was not at the forefront of his mind when he separated from his family.</p> I agree with you, but considering the amount of time he and his family spent outside in the cold… it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that common sense was not at the forefront of his mind when he separated from his family.

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